Episode 101
How to Connect to God-Self and Heal from Spiritual Abuse with Maetreyii Ma
Do you find yourself angry and bitter at toxic people hurting you? And you're wondering how you can stop it. ...?
In this episode, we'll explore how you can heal from spiritual abuse and reconnect with your divine essence.
With my guest Maetreyii Ma. She is an award-winning author, Clinical psychologist, and spiritual teacher who has developed a worldwide following, bringing forth the deep wisdom that manifests to her both through her inner guru, Baba and in her teacher, the renowned Indian mystic Shrii Shrii Anandamurti Baba.
Her book Into the Heart of the Infinite A Spiritual Memoir of an Extraordinary Mystical Journey. By Maetreyii Ma Nolan Ph.D.
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How to Connect to God-Self and Heal from Spiritual Abuse with Maetreyii Ma
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::Raven Scott: Do you find yourself feeling angry about? Maybe your spiritual upbringing or religious upbringing as a child?
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::Raven Scott: Or maybe you have anger that this relationship just keeps
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::Raven Scott: going in this vicious cycle, and neither of you know how to fix it.
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::Raven Scott: Well, today I'm a special guest that's going to help us out with that in a spiritual realm. Spiritual way.
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::Raven Scott: Maetreyii Ma. Is an award-winning author, psychologist, and spiritual teacher who has developed a worldwide following, bringing forth the deep wisdom that manifests to her.
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::Raven Scott: both through her inner Guru.
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::Raven Scott: Babba, and in her teacher, the renowned Indian mystic, Shri Sri Anandamuti Baba.
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::Raven Scott: But here's where this thing this. But here's where this gets interesting. The Baba that has loved and guided her throughout her long life is the all-knowing spiritual consciousness
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::Raven Scott: that embodies divine love, and speaks to and in recent years through her.
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::Raven Scott: And while she met and lived in the Ashram of the living Guru Shri Shri, Anandamarti Baba in India for 8 months before he passed from this earth. The immortal spiritual consciousness he embodied has been side by side with her since her college years, long before she met him, and after
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::Raven Scott: her story, beautifully told in her new book into the heart of the infinite spiritual memoir of an extraordinary mystical journey.
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::Raven Scott: is a story of a profound transformation that reveals how she came to experience spiritual ecstasy
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::Raven Scott: and beauty at her guide, Baba
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::Raven Scott: to her while integrating it into the real world
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::Raven Scott: life. Let's see, integrating it into her real world life of wife, mother, psychologist, and spiritual teacher, to live a life in awakened, joyful consciousness, with roles as the past founder and president of Ananda Saba Mission.
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::Raven Scott: Founding Board, members of the Kundalini Research Network
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::Raven Scott: and a previous director of the Spiritual Emergency network. She has long been a guiding light in the spiritual community.
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::Raven Scott: So let's get into this conversation with her
::Raven Scott: Hello! Welcome, my trainee. So, guys, I'm happy here.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Good to be with you.
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::Raven Scott: So you have a really interesting story. And you wrote in your book. I'm excited to kind of go through that today and hear a little bit from you. Kind of give us like a little sneak. Peek about your book.
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::Raven Scott: and then we can kind of dive into some more spiritual topics. Sound good
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::Maetreyii Ma: sounds wonderful.
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::Raven Scott: So take us through.
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::Raven Scott: What's interesting is a lot of us kind of. We awaken more around like 28 when Saturn kind of wakes us up and bops us on the head.
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::Raven Scott: Interesting to hear that you kind of had a spiritual awakening. What was it around? 8 or 10, the age of 8 or 10?
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::Maetreyii Ma: Right? I you know I was living at. We had a 5 and a half acre, 5 and a half acre Mini farm when I was little, and so I got a I had a lot of connection to nature, and that was a big thing for me.
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::But then, when I was around
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::Maetreyii Ma: 10 or 11, I started feeling this divine presence near me.
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::Maetreyii Ma: And I felt like this divine presence was my
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::Maetreyii Ma: my father, my! It was a sort of a Christ like presence, you know it was a and and a fatherly presence, and II it. There weren't any words. It was just a sense of
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::Maetreyii Ma: this being this presence, and I sometimes felt like this whitish shape next to me, and I felt that
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::Maetreyii Ma: that somehow I'd been with this being, and in in the past I know I lived in a suburb of Chicago, and had no idea about reincarnation. I'd never heard of it, you know, but but I had this feeling that I'd been with this being in the past, and
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::Maetreyii Ma: I just fell so deeply in love, even though this being was not of my. you know, a physical person. It was a presence. but it was so beautiful, so holy.
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::Maetreyii Ma: that I felt tremendous love, and that that happened when I was a child, and that was my first
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::Maetreyii Ma: encounter with divine presence, I would say.
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::Raven Scott: And was it out of a reaction like you needed them to come because something
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::Raven Scott: sad happened, or
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::Raven Scott: you were feeling lonely, or they just appeared, or it appeared.
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::Maetreyii Ma: I think, that I had. As a child I was very
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::Maetreyii Ma: I had. I felt, challenged by
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::Maetreyii Ma: school, and II called it, and people, and I called it people world as opposed to the world in nature, and where I felt connection with trees. I felt that the trees were healing, but it was very stressful me for me to deal with people world right where I'd go to school, and there'd be all these kids and all this stuff going on. And it'd be
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::Maetreyii Ma: just really intense and my family same thing, you know, it was always a lot to deal with, and and I think my grandmother died maybe before or maybe after, I'd not really clear. It may have been after this presence came
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::Maetreyii Ma: but
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::Maetreyii Ma: I felt like there was a resonance
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::Maetreyii Ma: with this presence, a connectedness that I didn't feel in my day to day life in the world.
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::Maetreyii Ma: So in that sense, yeah, I don't know that there was anybody that I felt oppressed by, or anything like that, but I did feel that I didn't have the resonance with the people around me, the environment I was in. I felt like a stranger in a strange land. So when I
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::Maetreyii Ma: this presence was home, you know it was. I felt in it
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::where I lived, what was important to me.
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::Maetreyii Ma: And so that was that was This dividing culture was meeting that need to
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::Maetreyii Ma: have a deeper level of connection. I would say
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::Maetreyii Ma: to something that was more
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::Maetreyii Ma: important, more present for me than the world I lived in in the suburb of Chicago in that period of time.
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::Raven Scott: Yeah, I know I was reading about your your life on the farm, and how magical that must have been, and then to be
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::Raven Scott: then implanted into the city or the suburb right outside of the city in Chicago. Just kind of being a shocking culture shock like, where is my home? I'm not. I'm not. I'm not home anymore.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Yeah. Yeah. And we moved from the farm to A
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::Maetreyii Ma: to Lombard, which was in in a suburb where there was just, you know, houses, each one on about a half an acre. It was a suburb, and it was a
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::Maetreyii Ma: I found it to be a wasteland, you know, for me. Ii missed my animals. They weren't there. I had my pet duck, Jimmy, but he
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::Maetreyii Ma: he died. He, you know, might he got poisoned by some rat poisoning that a neighbor put out? And then my dog died, and you know
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::Maetreyii Ma: all the wonderful magic of nature was gone, and I was stuck in this very arid place.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and
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::Maetreyii Ma: I didn't like it. But then we moved from there to
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::Maetreyii Ma: to town, and I like that better, but
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::Maetreyii Ma: still II think that I always felt different. II would. I was very philosophical as a child, and I would contemplate things. And
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::Maetreyii Ma: I didn't feel like the other kids.
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::Maetreyii Ma: And I think I had a little bit of a add to, you know, so I wasn't great in school.
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::and
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::Maetreyii Ma: I connected, I felt connected to trees. I could hug them, and I could feel the energy from the trees move into me, and, like everything would like float away like clouds. You know all the stress in my life, and I would just feel this calm peace emanate from the trees. So I felt this communion with trees and with animals that I could connect.
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::Raven Scott: Yeah. And like a true empath.
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::Maetreyii Ma: yeah, it. Yeah. I felt I could. I could feel what it was like being them.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and I felt that there was a reciprocal flow.
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::Maetreyii Ma: And yeah, so that that was that plus. And I remember one experience
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::Maetreyii Ma: around that time I
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::Maetreyii Ma: there was a little hill that, with a water tower on it
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::Maetreyii Ma: at the top of our street. and II would. I walked up there
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::Maetreyii Ma: this one night. It was late and it just gotten dark, and II walked up by myself up under the hill, and I laid down on the grass.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and I looked up at the stars.
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::Maetreyii Ma: And you know I just try to envision what is the how far it is a mile, a hundred miles, a thousand miles a million miles like, and how far to the moon, and how far to the stars, and
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::Maetreyii Ma: and my mind just sort of went out into this, you know, and
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::Maetreyii Ma: and I kind of I felt like
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::Maetreyii Ma: like the nature is my mother and and this divine presence. This was my father, you know, and it felt like there was.
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::Maetreyii Ma: There's this underlying. archetypal relationship, I would call it that now I didn't call it that then.
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::Maetreyii Ma: I think we all have deep within us. And
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::Maetreyii Ma: It really connected me to the universe. And I really saw that, you know, whatever stress was in my life was in this little band of people, world and and of human life, and that there's all this life.
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::Maetreyii Ma: all living in this harmony of the you know of universal principles and laws that are governing the stars and the solar systems, and the and the microcosm. And there's just this vast.
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::Maetreyii Ma: a network of life.
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::Raven Scott: Yeah. And so what did you do? How did you react when this
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::Raven Scott: presence first appeared next to you?
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::Maetreyii Ma: Well, it first appeared
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::Maetreyii Ma: as as just a sense of a presence. When I was distressed it would come and just be there.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and it was very comforting. I just felt comforted and soon felt tremendous love.
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::Maetreyii Ma: So
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::Maetreyii Ma: there wasn't any reaction except for maybe attachment, you know.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Yeah.
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::Raven Scott: yeah, like this beautiful love, you know, and but I did have a reaction at 1 point, because II didn't know what this presence was, and I there was no name, no words, no guidance like that. And
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::Maetreyii Ma: I thought. the only
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::Maetreyii Ma: being I've ever heard of that is like this, presences is Christ right? Jesus. So I thought.
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::Maetreyii Ma: oh, this must be Jesus!
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::Maetreyii Ma: And then I thought, oh, but he lived 2,000 years ago! Why am I here now?
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::You know, and and I would actually cry myself to sleep, because I would be so sad, thinking
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::Maetreyii Ma: I had. I had missed this presence, this holy presence when I was.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and that you know, and I felt maybe I did something wrong, that I'm here when it's not here. But then I felt from the presence that that was not correct. There was nothing wrong. This was what was meant to be
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::Maetreyii Ma: and later, I'm not so sure it was Christ per se. But it was that
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::Maetreyii Ma: that Holy presence. That was Christ. That is all. Holy presence, I think.
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::Raven Scott: Yes.
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::Raven Scott: yeah, I can imagine that'd be confusing, too. So it's really good that it
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::Raven Scott: comforted you and said, No, no, that's not correct on Earth. They're not correct about that.
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::Raven Scott: miss. Out. I'm right here with you.
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::Raven Scott: Yeah, exactly. You're right right there.
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::Raven Scott: How does this presence, then, influence your life as you became? You know, older and an adult. And
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::Maetreyii Ma: what happened is that I began to externalize myself into my teams, and I forgot about it.
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::Maetreyii Ma: You know I became a
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::Maetreyii Ma: very engaged, like most teenagers. And I
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::Maetreyii Ma: this, that experience that childhood experience began to fade
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::Maetreyii Ma: from my mind. And
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::Maetreyii Ma: II actually went through a period of going to a lot of different churches
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::and trying to find that God presence in the churches.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and
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::Maetreyii Ma: I just didn't feel it. Did you find it? Oh, I didn't, you know. And then, by the time I was about 18 or 19, I just or even 16. II forget what age exactly, but I just
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::had gone to a number of different churches and tried to, you know.
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::Maetreyii Ma: check it out, and I found a youth group in a church that I loved being a part of, and it was fun. But I didn't feel that
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::Maetreyii Ma: divine presence
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::Maetreyii Ma: and I finally came to the realization that. you know, I thought I thought maybe I'm an atheist. You know that II don't feel it here, you know, and
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::Maetreyii Ma: and so that.
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::Maetreyii Ma: But that lasted until I experimented with psychedelics in my early twenties.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and then I got into profound experiences of of divinity.
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::Maetreyii Ma: in every molecule of existence, in everything that is feeling the unitary wholeness of being.
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::Raven Scott: And from there did you find that that spirit or that love I was. Gonna ask you, what would you, in hindsight or retrospect. what would you do? Call that presence that was there with you as a child.
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::Maetreyii Ma: God presence.
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::I'd I'd
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::Maetreyii Ma: in hindsight.
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::Maetreyii Ma: It was for me, probably the first manifestation of of the presence that came later in my early 20 s.
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::Maetreyii Ma: That was Baba. Who's that's been my inner guide.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and also my external Guru.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Since my early 20 S. I've felt this presence with me.
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::Raven Scott: We have to in your story. We have to go to Baba, but we'll get there. There's a connection between Baba, who is a real
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::Raven Scott: Hindu monk, Guru.
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::Maetreyii Ma: He was a yeah. So I have first this inner experience of
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::Maetreyii Ma: first, just this presence that I didn't have a name, and then later a presence. same holy presence.
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::but gave me the name Baba
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::Maetreyii Ma: and by then I was doing Yogic meditation, and he came first in my meditation. And this whole big story, but
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::Maetreyii Ma: that's for the book.
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::Maetreyii Ma: But the
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::Maetreyii Ma: then he at 1 point. So for some deep spiritual experiences, my Baba
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::said, to go to India
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::Maetreyii Ma: and to see him in physical form. And so you know, I, me and my husband bought one way tickets to India and some Arab airlines, you know special. So your husband was on board to to. Yeah. Yeah. He was also doing the meditation, and had learned from the same monks, and
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::Maetreyii Ma: who were, came over and taught us who were devotees of Shisha and Morty. Baba. Baba's like a babas turns out. I first heard it internally like that, but it turns out that Baba is a name.
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::Maetreyii Ma: a sort of a name of respect to
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::Maetreyii Ma: to different gurus, to male gurus.
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::Maetreyii Ma: But, interestingly enough, in Slavic languages. It also means grandmother. So it's kind of interesting.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Wise one, right? Yes.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and so.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Shisha! Nanamorti Baba was the physical person who I then met who? I felt the same vibration, and and I experience miraculous things happen around
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::And
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::Maetreyii Ma: but you know I feel that
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::Maetreyii Ma: Baba.
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::Maetreyii Ma: or that divine presence doesn't originate with a man in India. The man in India was somebody who
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::Maetreyii Ma: melted into that presence.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and the presence that I feel internally is that same presence, and that
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::Maetreyii Ma: it's there's only one, you know. In Yogic philosophy, Shiva Shakti, Atma Kambruma. There, there's there's Shiva, or Consciousness, and Shakti, or Divine creative Mother Nature. Energy, right? That manifests everything that is
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::Maetreyii Ma: but the shoot. The. But they're they're one. They're they're they're they're
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::Maetreyii Ma: they're one and the same.
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::Maetreyii Ma: There one is within the other. There, there, there!
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::Maetreyii Ma: They're inseparable, like 2 sides of a piece of paper. You know they're inseparable. And
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::Maetreyii Ma: the infinite Brahma is the combination of the manifest and the unmanifest, the the pure Being, consciousness, and the created all created forms.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and that
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::Maetreyii Ma: to me that divine presence is.
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::Maetreyii Ma: excuse me
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::Maetreyii Ma: that divine presence is in all forms. and it's in an essence of all forms. It's in the essence of being. and it manifests for me as this inner guidance.
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::inner inner wisdom, and that flows through from a place that isn't my rational, conscious mind. But from
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::Maetreyii Ma: what I consider a higher, you know your higher self, or a deeper, higher level. and flows into the mind and out. And
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::Maetreyii Ma: it's the same as that which I found in my Guru in India.
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::Maetreyii Ma: But II feel the origin is in the depth of being, and it's something accessible to all of us. It's it's
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::in the essence of being
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::Maetreyii Ma: and not in
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::Maetreyii Ma: doesn't originate in a in a form, but that form manifested it
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::Maetreyii Ma: as a person which fulfilled a great longing for me since my childhood right, that I wished that that being had been, that I couldn't meet that person in the world.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and then I was able to, in the form of my Guru.
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::Raven Scott: I really think that this is an interesting concept, especially for those of us who
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::Raven Scott: and believe more in the spirituality realm, and maybe, who were raised in more of a religious realm like. you know, it's believed by a lot of people that Jesus is the only
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::Raven Scott: physical manifestation of God. But you're describing that Baba was, and I know, you know.
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::Raven Scott: you know, being Buddhist now, like Buddha, was like, it's like this physical manifestation of
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::Raven Scott: the divine love and compassion. That's right.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Yeah of the one. And and when, when when the personality melds back into the one.
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::Maetreyii Ma: then those divine qualities that you're talking about love and compassion and peace and
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::Maetreyii Ma: deep understanding, and they they begin to
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::Maetreyii Ma: embody in and differently and different people, because the personalities are different, you know, but but they embody, and you can feel, you know. I remember sitting in a
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::Maetreyii Ma: with my Guru and Darshan. It's called sight of the Guru and sitting there with him, and
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::Maetreyii Ma: just feeling such immense. unbelievable love just flowing out of him into everyone. You know that it was just.
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::Maetreyii Ma: It was just divine bliss to be in the the presence, you know.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Do you think that these gurus are
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::Raven Scott: very old? Wise souls, like choosing the manifest on earth to kind of bring some of that higher vibration and love onto the earth because it's a very thick, dense space here.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Kind of like that. Yeah, I would say that there may be old wise souls that are old enough and wise enough to let go of their sense of personal existence, and to melt themselves back into that infinite, and to become
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::Maetreyii Ma: like a clear lake that you can see the deep bottom. You know, they they just become clear. And so you can see into them. You can see that universal.
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::that universal essence flows through. And
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::Maetreyii Ma: you know these kinds of gurus
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::Maetreyii Ma: The Bible was, and I think there have been others. I think they're a bit rare, but they are out there, or they have been out there.
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::Maetreyii Ma: you know. People would
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::Maetreyii Ma: say that they? He visited their home like 500 miles away from someplace else where he was giving Tarson he was giving a talk.
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::Maetreyii Ma: you know. All sorts of miraculous things happened.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Those they don't seem to. Such beings don't seem to be bound by the same
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::Maetreyii Ma: material
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::Maetreyii Ma: like it's like they've transcended that level of material thick, the thickness of material. And when when I am around, not only Baba, but other gurus that I've seen, who I feel divine presence with.
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::Maetreyii Ma: I feel like they open up a a little space of sunshine. They open up a subtle energy in the thickness of this realm.
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::Raven Scott: Now as as I'm hearing you. Oh, my gosh! This sounds amazing to actually be in the presence and sit with.
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::Raven Scott: But if you have that fine tune like you've experienced true Guru. We also have talked about on this podcast there are some
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::Raven Scott: covert narcissist within the spiritual realm, calling themselves Gurus like, how can you tell between those and the authentic Gurus.
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::Maetreyii Ma: It's a good question, and I don't know if you, it's you have to follow your heart in what you feel.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and a teacher can teach you all about something.
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::Maetreyii Ma: But a Guru
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::Maetreyii Ma: embodies a vibration
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::Maetreyii Ma: that you feel. and you feel that vibration. But sometimes you might feel that around someone who is not so developed. But you know this story around that that
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::Maetreyii Ma: the disciple goes to the Guru. The Guru is not a developed being.
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::Maetreyii Ma: but the disciples devotion
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::Maetreyii Ma: and love is so pure that
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::Maetreyii Ma: what they see is the God self, and what they experiences that, and so
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::Maetreyii Ma: for them it doesn't, it doesn't really matter.
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::Maetreyii Ma: you know. if if there, if if you see the divine and you feel the divine. the divine has chosen to embody in whatever limited form there is, you know.
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::Maetreyii Ma: But
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::Maetreyii Ma: the problem is that sometimes the teachings can be a little off.
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::Maetreyii Ma: If if if the person is a bit narcissistic or has
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::Maetreyii Ma: some undeveloped traits that are not yet fully worked with. Those can be a bit misleading.
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::but
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::Maetreyii Ma: I still don't think it's necessarily
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::Maetreyii Ma: a problem, because it's your experience of divine presence, and if you are someplace and you don't feel it.
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::Maetreyii Ma: it may be there for others.
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::Maetreyii Ma: They may feel it. If you don't feel it. It's God doesn't want to talk to you in that form. You know. God doesn't want to be there for you in that presence it's not embodying for you.
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::Maetreyii Ma: And so as long as that
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::Raven Scott: fake, Guru is not
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::Maetreyii Ma: manipulating people into their own selfish desires, and people. People in any position of power can definitely do that and use the power of their own mind.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Politicians do it all the time. Right? Use the power of their own mind to influence the thinking of other people. and that can be destructive.
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::Maetreyii Ma: The true Guru Guru, the the Yogisay Guru, got himself for one. So the true Guru is that infinite Brahma, that infinite God, self?
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::Maetreyii Ma: The deepest self view
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::Maetreyii Ma: is that unitary whole of being
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::Maetreyii Ma: and God. What is God, but that that oneness from which we all come, that infinite love right?
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::Maetreyii Ma: And so
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::Maetreyii Ma: Guru needs to embody that.
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::Maetreyii Ma: And it may embody that for some people and not for others.
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::Maetreyii Ma: And
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::Maetreyii Ma: if you find yourself in a situation where you think you're being misled, or
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::Maetreyii Ma: that you've been a part of a a a situation that's suddenly sounding like a cult in the worst sense of the word.
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::Maetreyii Ma: The god within
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::Maetreyii Ma: is always present and always accessible. and to
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::Maetreyii Ma: make that living presence of divinity.
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::Maetreyii Ma: the pollstar of your life, the focus, regardless of. If you have a physical guru, or if you don't, or if you're part of a community, or you're not part of a community, or you're feeling alienated from a community that you start to see the flaws in
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::Maetreyii Ma: hold. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Hold! Hold to the the divine! Hold to that, and you always have that. Nobody can take it away from you. And sometimes it's not with a group and with a
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::Maetreyii Ma: physical person. you know, for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.
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::Maetreyii Ma: the divine can talk in a babbling brook, or in a robin singing, or and the sound of the wind, you know
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::Maetreyii Ma: there's there's
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::Maetreyii Ma: the
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::the divine is the substantive nature of everything that is.
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::Maetreyii Ma: and so wholly it can be anywhere.
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::Raven Scott: Hmm! I totally, truly believe that I remember being
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::Raven Scott: this beautiful forest when I was 17, and it was exactly that.
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::Raven Scott: just like when you were on the farm, like, I felt the divine that was this most magical place ever, and I felt it there in nature.
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::Maetreyii Ma: I'd have to be curious to see what your human design chart, which ties into that
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::Raven Scott: permit to line 2 profile is. You have that connection with nature, a deep connection.
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::Raven Scott: you just have to accept the reality. I think you're right, because a lot of us that are trying to fix the relationship that are.
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::Raven Scott: which and this may not be at all applicable to a abusive romantic relationship, because this definitely doesn't apply to how I experienced my romantic relationship.
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::Raven Scott: Yeah, it's it's really up to you. I feel like, does it? Does it go back to? What does your heart say? What is that spirit that you can attune with? What are they calling you to do, and
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::Maetreyii Ma: yeah.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Yeah, exactly.
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::Maetreyii Ma: in the where? Where can you change your dynamic to the relationship? And sometimes the only way is to separate from it. But there's a lot of other ways to change the dynamic in a relationship, too, so that you don't feel victimized. You don't feel affected by what the other person thinks, you know. That's their problem. You know you you work with. Don't make assumption. You know the 4 agreements.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Don't take things personally. They go a long way, but it's it's challenging to work with that and how to do that.
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::Maetreyii Ma: So this I don't think there's any any one size fits all here, you know
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::Raven Scott: there never is. That's a wise answer. There never is.
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::Maetreyii Ma: Yeah, but II do think that
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::Maetreyii Ma: exactly.
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::Raven Scott: Well, I'd love for you to tell us more about your book and where to find it.
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::Maetreyii Ma: My book.
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::Maetreyii Ma: I'm gonna hold it up into the heart of the infinite.
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::Maetreyii Ma: a spiritual memoir of an extraordinary mystical journey is about my own journey of spirit and transformation, and it is available on Amazon. It's also available in bookstores, though it might not be on the shelf if it's not on the shelf you could ask for it.
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::Maetreyii Ma: it's available in all kinds of different places.
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::Maetreyii Ma: in whatever you do and in whatever choices you make in the people you relate to, and how you relate.
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::Raven Scott: I love that to look into that book as well.
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::Raven Scott: thank you for being here. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom.
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::Maetreyii Ma: It's wonderful to be here. If anybody does want to contact me, I my web site is yogama.org that's yogama.org, and you can sign up for my web mailing list and leave me a little note that you wanna get in touch and I'd be happy to
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::Maetreyii Ma: to be to get in touch if you want anything. So
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::Raven Scott: Yes. it was a pleasure, gaining wisdom and helping us connect more to our higher self and our deeper spirituality.
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